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  • Aug. 19th, 2008 at 12:43 AM
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Here's an interesting article summarising some of the recent criticisms of Superman Returns and thoughts on a sequel. When I'm less sleepy I may add my two cents in the comments if anyone responds.


Redirecting Superman’s flight path
Monday, August 18, 2008, 02:49 PM GMT [

As The Dark Knight rumbles steadily onwards towards a worldwide box-office haul of $750 million, thoughts inevitably turn to the next cinematic instalment of Batman's equally-statured DC Comics stable mate, Superman.

The Man of Steel , of course, returned to screens after a nineteen-year absence in 2006, courtesy of Bryan Singer's Superman Returns, but was regrettably not the hit that Warner Brothers were hoping for (although it's $400m worldwide haul was entirely respectable, the film's $270m price tag certainly took the sheen off the bottom line...).

While Singer fulsomely promised fans that he would go "Wrath of Khan" (i.e. more action) for the follow-up - tentatively titled The Man of Steel and due in 2010 - Returns was one of the more critically-divisive superhero movies of recent years. Over at MTV's blog devoted to comic book movies, two of the foremost names relating to Superman in the comics, Grant Morrison and Mark Waid, used their considerable expertise on all things Kryptonian to provide a blunt appraisal of Singer's effort.

Scotsman Morrison, whose vastly entertaining All-Star Superman certainly proved that he knows what makes The Man of Steel tick, felt the film squandered the character's essential appeal: "The idea was to make an American Christ figure, but what they centred on was his weakness," Morrison said. "They made him more a Lamb of God, rather than give us a real powerful Superman. They had too many scenes where he's being kicked to the floor, and that's not Superman. Superman would get up and fight."

Fellow writer Mark Waid, whose Superman: Birthright masterfully provided the character with a re-booted 21st-century origin story, was more pointed: "I so wanted that movie to work," said Waid, "but every choice they made in that movie was wrong. If you're making the movie in a vacuum, and there will be no other Superman movies ever again, go ahead and give him a son. But otherwise, that's a staggeringly awful idea. What are you going to do next? Either the kid has to be a part of his life, or get superpowers, which no one wants to see."

Both agree however, that a total reboot is the way forward. In Morrison's case, he's actually made direct overtures to the studio for the next film, as have other comic book writers Mark Millar, Geoff Johns and Brad Metzler: "I told them, it's not that bad," Morrison said. "Just treat Superman Returns as the Ang Lee Hulk." Waid concurs: "The Hulk has proven the audience will forgive you and let you redo the franchise."

Speaking as both a critic and a passionate Superman fan of 30 years, I am a staunch defender of Superman Returns, which I feel to be cruelly underrated. It's a gorgeous-looking film (if a little dark) and, although Brandon Routh's Superman had the burden of channelling the late, great Christopher Reeve, he did a fine job (If he got to play Superman less humbled and with a commanding presence akin to Reeve's, he'd be great).
Certainly, I am not immune to its various shortcomings, notably that Singer essentially remade Richard Donner's classic 1978 original, albeit with a more melancholic tone. Like Waid (and many others), I too was not a fan of Superman having a child - it's a concept better placed in the comics, where continuity is more malleable - yet, there was something admirably bold about its inclusion in the plot, providing Superman with an emotional conundrum that could not be overcome with great displays of superpowers. (Speaking of that: I defy anyone to tell me that the film's centrepiece action sequence in which Superman rescues the burning 747 wasn't the most vigorously-exciting, pulse-pounding and truly breathtaking action sequence of the last decade.)

The film’s poor financial performance was less to do with the its quality and far more to do with the political climate around the time of its release: a character who is classically referred to as “Defender of Truth, Justice and The American Way” would have been a harder-than-usual sell to an America then confronting the deep contradictions of its own self-image and to foreign markets who were daily being presented with the latest misdemeanours of the Bush administration’s blunt foreign policy, which appeared to be anchored on the phrase “Y’all kin go f*** yerselves...” – hardly a Superman-esque rhetoric.

(In an interesting contrast, The Dark Knight, aside from the fact that it’s a damned good Batman movie and the Ledger curiosity factor, is a film that gains much from post-9/11 considerations of terrorism – strikingly so, in fact.)

Yet Morrison and Waid are quite correct: a reboot is necessary. It’s not just down to the narrative millstone of the kid, which would have to be dealt with in a sequel – it’d be too strange not to. More importantly, this screen iteration of Superman deserves to have an identity of its own, rather than be shackled to Donner’s decades-old version, as daring and effectively nostalgic as that was.

Whatever The Man of Steel ends up as, I fervently hope that the producers fully embrace perhaps the most potent and enduring element of the character: Superman is unabashedly about hope and while many assume that this doesn’t play well in our cynical times, this is precisely what people like about Superman and why he has lasted seventy years with very little change to his creators original design. You can make the film as action-packed as you like, but an angsty Superman will never play as well as one who is a straight-ahead paragon of hope. These days, that’s more appealing than you’d think.

Ultimately, it’s worth remembering the sage observation of another esteemed comic writer, Neil Gaiman, regarding superhero movies: “The closer the film is to the look and feel of what people like about the comic, the more successful it is.” Gaiman feels that this is “something that Warners tends singularly to miss, and Marvel tends singularly to get right.”

Christopher Nolan’s superb Batman films suggest that Warners have wised up. Let’s hope so, because with the superhero movie genre in such vigorous health right now, it deserves to have a truly great film about the greatest superhero of all.

Just one thing: Superman’s costume features red, not maroon.


SOURCE: Danny Graydon, Telegraph

Comments

[info]metalhead684 wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2008 11:58 pm (UTC)
I'm speechless. I really don't know what to say about this.

If you ask me, I didn't think the new Batman movie was all that great. if it wasn't for Ledger being the Joker, I don't think the movie would have done so well.
[info]dj_intheuk wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2008 08:56 pm (UTC)
The Dark Knight is a well executed comic book movie so I think it deserves the critical acclaim it is getting. It's not my favourite comic book movie however. But this in part is probably due to Batman himself not the movie itself. The article though is discussing Superman Returns and what the next step could be/should be.
[info]babettew54 wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2008 12:51 am (UTC)
Well, you know how I feel about all this. Why, why do they hate the idea of Superman having a child? It's OK in the comics, but not for the movieverse? I just don't get it. If having a child isn't 'hopeful' then I don't know what is.

I admit that SR was basically frame by frame with Superman The Movie, and that could have been done differently, you know, ramped up a bit, but other than that, I loved the movie!

As I said before, I hope this isn't given too much credance to the producers. I shudder to think what they would do about it! *argh*
[info]dj_intheuk wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2008 09:01 pm (UTC)
I think we pretty much have the same views on SR. And some of what the critic says I can accept. What is forgotten is how long it took for this movie to come to fruitition and considering what we could have had - Singer's is by far the best idea's wise IMO. I'll post more on my thoughts when I've read all the comments. Thanks for commenting. :)
[info]saturn_a_gogo wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2008 12:49 pm (UTC)
You know, when I saw Superman Returns, I hadn't even seen Superman II yet, and it had been one million years (roughly) since I'd seen Superman.

I actually really enjoyed all the nods to the original film. I know Singer was a big fan, and the original Superman's were very popular in their day, so why ignore them completely just to "reboot" it? Is a reboot really necessary? Superman Returns paid homage to the original films while also being it's own movie and I loved it for that. Why does there seem to be a desire to restart with Superman's case?

Methinks it has something to do with Nolan's Batman's (well, obviously, since the guy who wrote the article mentioned it). Nolan completely revamped Batman to huge success. But you know what? I didn't like The Dark Knight that much. Batman Begins I could get behind because it still played into the cannon, but The Dark Knight? What the fuck was that?

Which this article to me is kind of contradictory--reboot Superman, but oh yeah, keep it the same. I mean, didn't Singer do just that?

And oh yeah, that BS about Superman's lack of success because of political climate? Like I said, total bull. I'm a super liberal and there was NOTHING that bothered me about Superman's all Americanism. The Reeve movies also do not bother me, and Reeve flies around with an American flag in the second one. (That is the second one right?)

TDK however does bother me cause it perpetuates this 9/11 fear which has grown into much more than just honest fear of being attacked, but into a fear culture perpetuated by the media. If TDK really wanted to push the envelope in that area, they would have addressed more fear culture, and less fear, ya know?

Woo, sorry. Rambly.

Edited at 2008-08-19 12:55 pm (UTC)
[info]dj_intheuk wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2008 09:36 pm (UTC)
I love rambly. Your comments are really interesting. I don't think there is a need for a reboot. I think Singer needs to finish what he started - specifically with regards to Jason, Kal-El's son. The problem is, no one seems to know what to do with this. I say why not take it as a challenge? It's taking the character into an area never explored before. I think that scares people. And some fans don't like it. That's fair enough and I can understand if they just don't like the idea of Kal-El being a father then yes why they would want a reboot. There's a lot of anger from some who thing Superman was portrayed as a "home wrecker" and given that he he's probably the most moral superhero out there they have issues with this. I think these fans are missing the point (I'll be here another 3 days to explain that aspect but I will say I think Singer was brave and was attempting to suggest that whether you like it or not for most children today - growing up with an absent parent or divorced parents is the norm and wait for it, is NOT always a 'bad' upbringing - Richard is not portrayed as a bad guy or a bad father figure whatsoever - that was genius. We're supposed to hate the guy getting in the way of Lois for Clark but how can you? He's a genuine guy). I'm hoping Singer knows exactly what to do - given that he's said he would make the sequel more action packed - there's an easy way to solve the kid thing - he could die? The super powers thing might not be fully developed. The issue of whether Lois remembers/knows that Clark Kent-Superman is more complicated IMO!

Yes the end of Superman II has Superman return the American flag to the White House. I'm a liberal too and it doesn't bother me either. Interestingly when Superman: The Movie was released Watergate had just happened and so I'd imagine America was feeling pretty cynical about itself even then. Consider that when Superman tells Lois he's here to. "Fight for truth, justice and the American way." Lois' response is, "You'll be fighting every elected official in the country." Now for the political stuff and 9/11 - I need another 4 days of rambling because I actually wrote my dissertation on Superman and 9/11. I was living in Albany, NY as a student on 9/11 and noticed that the comics were one of the first 'entertainment media' to respond to the attacks in its output. SR was released 5 years later and the climate was different to what is was immediately following the attacks which I remember well. DC Comics quickly republished patriotic Superman images back from WW2 times in memory of those lost. By 2006 the climate was different with the attacks on Iraq that followed am guessing? I was back in the UK in 2002. I'm not sure what to make of the critics comments about that. I think it could be a simple as the fact that Superman has never been the cool comic book superhero to love - Batman has been. I do think the climate of fear is something The Dark Knight could symbolise but ultimately these are just pop culture movies - lets not get too arty farty - most people watching won't make any kind of political connection. They just want to be entertained.
[info]saturn_a_gogo wrote:
Aug. 20th, 2008 01:22 pm (UTC)
The issue of whether Lois remembers/knows that Clark Kent-Superman is more complicated IMO!
I totally agree. What's going on there???

I actually wrote my dissertation on Superman and 9/11
You're awesome.

I do think the climate of fear is something The Dark Knight could symbolise but ultimately these are just pop culture movies - lets not get too arty farty - most people watching won't make any kind of political connection. They just want to be entertained.
Yes! This is probably why I enjoyed Iron Man better than The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight was trying to be so much, trying to build on it's own mythology it was creating as the movie progressed, after a while it all seemed rather ridiculous. All of a sudden, this was a movie that transcended every other Batman (movie, TV, comics) ever made. And you know what? I didn't like it. I don't think it's wise to push Adam West and his totally kitsch 60's Batman to the dust for this darker Batman who needs a throat lozenge. Especially when other Superhero movies prove that you don't need to do that to be successful.

And also, on a totally feminist side point, I really don't like that Rachel Dawes's whole purpose in The Dark Knight was to die. Die so that Harvey Dent could go insane. She started out as a nifty character in Batman Begins, and then turned ridiculous once TDK threw in an unnecessary love triangle where the only outcome for Ms. Dawes was death. Isn't that just great women character writing right there? Sheesh, I'd rather they not HAVE a woman character.



Edited at 2008-08-20 01:23 pm (UTC)
[info]dj_intheuk wrote:
Aug. 20th, 2008 09:40 pm (UTC)
I totally agree. What's going on there???


No idea. I got the impression that Richard new Lois' loved Superman and that he might be losing her but that doesn't explain whether Lois remembers the dual identity thing.

I don't mind that The Dark Knight was trying to be something bigger. Actually I don't thing it was - its always been there from its source - the comics. Comics can be complex and substantial so why people suddenly think OMG The Dark Knight "transcends" all that has gone before it - errrr, not really. Comics always have had it - its whether you choose to interpret something that way or you take it as just a superhero story. It's up to the reader. I admit that I loved the complex twists of The Dark Knight - Nolan is brilliant at that - he did do Memento after all. But I don't love the movie. I actually prefer Batman Begins - probably cos I'm a sucker for an origins story and we'd never really had one for Batman in movie form. Regards the darker Batman - I'm not a reader of the comics but from the documentary on Batman Begins DVD I do know that really that has come from the source material - and it reflects the current Batman apparently.

And also, on a totally feminist side point, I really don't like that Rachel Dawes's whole purpose in The Dark Knight was to die. Die so that Harvey Dent could go insane. She started out as a nifty character in Batman Begins, and then turned ridiculous once TDK threw in an unnecessary love triangle where the only outcome for Ms. Dawes was death. Isn't that just great women character writing right there? Sheesh, I'd rather they not HAVE a woman character.


I'll have to type up my notes from the course i did recently on comic book movies as feminism was touched on briefly. Exactly as you point out feminist writer Laura Mulvey wrote that in most cases in film women exist to either marry or die. You are totally right. Rachel exists to die in The Dark Knight. I hate to say it though but *whisper* you could argue - so did Lois Lane in Superman: The Movie - she died.

Loving this discussion :)
[info]saturn_a_gogo wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2008 01:12 pm (UTC)
Oooh, I'd love to see those notes! :D

I don't get why Rachel Dawes had to become that girl, though. In the first movie, I was pleasantly surprised to see that she was actually a very reliable contact for Batman's big plan to clean up Gotham and what not. Sure, there were a couple of scenes where she played the "Eeep! I'm a victim" (most notably the overdose drug scene) but it all balanced out because she wasn't written as a weak sort of character.

And then TDK. Where she was little more than a walking body to tantalize Batman with her 'I might be with you' attitude. I felt like that was a dramatic shift between her actions in Movie One to Movie Two.

But the thing that frustrates me the most is that I wouldn't have minded her death if they focused on her character a bit more. Like I said, Dawes was a nifty character, so why did they choose to abandon all that? Maybe there was too much stuff going on?

Which is why I like Lois so much--yeah she did die in the first movie--but it wasn't even a permanent death. She came back, and was her sassy self. Even if she did die die in the movie, at least she had a chance to assert her personality. (Although I would still be upset, if she did die.)

Actually, Lois's survival in the original Superman, the way she transcends death (much like Buffy) is almost like a super seal of approval, like Lois Lane is so great she can't die. Super Lois. :p

And given the way many women characters to this day (sad) are still being married off or dying, or fickle and pouty and totally stereotypical, the symbolism behind one woman's ability to cheat death means a frickin' LOT.

Edited at 2008-08-21 01:13 pm (UTC)
[info]dj_intheuk wrote:
Aug. 21st, 2008 10:20 pm (UTC)
This is true, a dramatic difference in Rachel between Begins and Dark Knight. She definitely lost out in the sequel. Lois actually fairs pretty well for a female comic book character. Though let's just forget the hilariously ridiculous Lois vs Lana comics of the 60s that revolved around the two fighting over Superman *shakes head*
[info]saturn_a_gogo wrote:
Aug. 22nd, 2008 12:51 pm (UTC)
You know, that reminds me of some image I found about Lois Lane, argh! It's on my computer at home. Let me see if I can find it again...

Aha! Here it is:


The other one I had was in black & white, and actually had the best title above it (which is strangely missing from this one): She's Mod and Mad! (lol).


I don't know who she is, but this just amuses me to no end. Not only is she a woman forcing Superman to kiss her boot, but she's wearing all pink to super affirm her femininity!
[info]dj_intheuk wrote:
Aug. 22nd, 2008 10:56 pm (UTC)
LOL thanks for sharing those, hilarious! The different titles btw reflect different comic book series for example: Action Comics is one series Superman appears in, Superman Is another (no surprise there!), etc. 'Superman's LOIS LANE' came out as a series probably aimed at appealing to young female readers. At the same time there was also a 'Superman's pal JIMMY OLSEN' titled comics in the same vein aimed at younger readers.

The best (or rather worst) of Superman's LOIS LANE covers:
http://www.i-mockery.com/shorts/lois-lane/


[info]saturn_a_gogo wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 05:04 am (UTC)
Thanks for the link; that was quite the trip into the hysterically bizarre. XD
[info]dj_intheuk wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2008 02:42 pm (UTC)
your welcome. I needed something to laugh at after reading Warner Bros announcement of a Superman reboot.

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